Vennari on Pope Leo XIII: All who are separated from the Church are part of the Kingdom of Satan, whether they recognize it or not.

The Doctrine of the Two Kingdoms: Our Catholic Faith has always taught that all of mankind is divided into two Kingdoms. As Leo XIII teaches in Humanum Genus, from the time of Adam, mankind “separated into two diverse and opposite parts,” the one that holds steadfastly for truth, and the other of those that are contrary to virtue and to truth. “The one is the kingdom of God on earth, namely, the true Church of Jesus Christ; and those who desire from their heart to be united with it, so as to gain salvation … The other is the kingdom of Satan, in whose possession and control are all whosoever follow the fatal example of their leader and of our first parents, those who refuse to obey the divine and eternal law…” [36]

Every man on earth is part of one of these two kingdoms. There is no third alternative.

Unfortunately – speaking in the objective order — all who are separated from the Church are part of the Kingdom of Satan, whether they recognize it or not. They are outside the reality of sanctifying grace, and membership in our Lord’s ecclesia.

Msgr. Fenton explains, “In rejecting the Redeemer Himself, the social unit [the old Jewish religious commonwealth] had automatically rejected the teaching God had given about Him. The rejection of this message constituted an abandonment of the Divine Faith itself. By manifesting this rejecting of the faith, the Jewish religious unit fell from its position as the company of the chosen people. It was no longer God’s ecclesia, His supernatural kingdom on earth. It became part of the kingdom of Satan.” [37]

Fenton continues, “At the moment of Our Lord’s death on Calvary, the moment when the old dispensation was ended and the Jewish religious association ceased to be the supernatural kingdom of God on earth, this recently organized society of Our Lord’s disciples began to be the supernatural Kingdom of God on earth, this recently organized society of Our Lord’s disciples began to exist as the ecclesia, or the kingdom.” [38]

Pretending modern-day Jews enjoy some of third alternative of fidelity to God is a rupture with the teaching of the Sacred Scripture and with Catholic doctrine of all time. The true doctrine of the Catholic Church throughout the centuries cannot be denounced as being somehow cruel or “anti-Semitic”, for to accuse God and His beautiful Divine Revelation as cruel is a manifestation of blasphemy.

We must continue to pray for Pope Benedict that he may no longer maintain “significant silence” on these crucial points of Catholic truth for the sake of a new ecumenical construct, but state them openly as the duty of his office demands. And we pray that God may soon send us a Pope who will return to the traditional teachings reiterated above that one no longer hears from today’s Church leaders.

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  1. http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/12/conference-of-catholic-bishops-of.html

    CONFERENCE OF CATHOLIC BISHOPS OF ENGLAND AND WALES AGREE THAT THERE IS NO VISIBLE BAPTISM OF DESIRE : breakthrough in salvation dogma, back to centuries old interpretation.

    Daphne McLeod’s statement over time to reverberate throughout Catholic Church

    The Conference of Catholic Bishops of England and Wales (CCBEW) agree there is no visible baptism of desire, it is learnt, they are not to issue a denial.They are in agreement with the statement of the English school teacher. Daphne McLeod said that there can be those saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire and this does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.She was not talking theology but making a simple common sense observation.The English bishops have no clarification to issue on her statement and neither on that of the Southwark Vocation Director Fr.Stephen Langley.It follows that implicit baptism of desire and those saved in invincible ignorance are not exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

    In the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston ,Pope Pius XII referred to ‘the dogma’, the ‘infallible teaching’.The dogma indicates all non Catholics need to convert into the Catholic Church for salvation (to avoid Hell). The dogma does not mention any exceptions such as the baptism of desire or invincible ignorance.Since they are implicit and not visible to us they cannot be defacto exceptions.

    So Lumen Gentium 16 (invincible ignorance/good conscience) is not an exception to the dogma.It does not contradict the centuries-old interpretation of outside the church there is no salvation.

    In principle (de jure) it is accepted that there can be people saved with the baptism of desire, invincible ignorance, good conscience, imperfect communion with the church, ‘the seeds of the Word’(Vatican Council II). De facto we do not know any such case and so they do not contradict the dogma.They do not contradict the interpretation of the popes, saints and Fr.Leonard Feeney of Boston, who was not excommunicated for heresy. The excommunication of this courageous priest, was lifted during his lifetime without him having to recant.He was disobedient to the Archbishop of Boston who suggested that there was an explicitly-known baptism of desire which was an exception to the dogma.

    The Archbishop rejected the traditional defacto-dejure analysis of magisterial texts and used an irrational defacto-defacto philosophical model.

    In principle (dejure) we can accept that ‘God has bound salvation to the sacrament of Baptism, but he himself is not bound by his sacraments (CCC 1257).’ and ‘ the fruits of Baptism without being a sacrament ‘(CCC 1258) can be there. These cases are not explicitly known to us. De facto we do not know any such case on earth.

    In principle,dejure we can accept that ‘the Church has always held the firm conviction that those who suffer death for the sake of the faith without having received Baptized are baptized by their death,’(CCC 1258) in reality only God can judge these cases. They are de facto known only to God.

    Catechumens in principle can receive salvation which ‘ they were not able to receive through the sacrament’ if they die before receiving the baptism of water’(CCC 1259). We accept this dejure. De facto we do not know any case so it does not contradict the dogma or Ad Gentes 7 which says all need to enter the Church with Catholic Faith and the baptism of water.

    In principle, dejure ‘every man who is ignorant of the Gospel of Christ and of his Church, but seeks the truth and does the will of God in accordance with his understanding of it, can be saved ‘(CCC 1260). De facto the ordinary way of salvation is Catholic Faith with the baptism of water (Ad Gentes 7, Lumen Gentium 14).

    In principle we do not exclude from salvation ‘ all united to the Church only by implicit desire’ (Letter of the Holy Office 1949) and ‘reprove…those who falsely assert that men can be saved equally well in every religion’ i.e every one with no exception needs to convert into the Catholic Church for salvation and there are defacto no exceptions.(Letter of the Holy Office 1949, (cf. Pope Pius IX, Allocution, , in , n. 1641 ff.; also Pope Pius IX in the encyclical letter, , in , n. 1677).

    Nowhere in the Letter of the Holy Office is it said that the baptism of desire is visible and so an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.Neither does Vatican Council II or the Catechism of the Catholic Church make this claim.

    The Letter is affirming ‘the dogma’, the ‘infallible statement’i.e the ‘strict interpretation’ of outside the church there is no salvation. It was defined ex cathedra and so it is ‘infallilble’. The Letter also affirms implicit baptism of desire. If implicit baptism of desire is considered explicit and known to us, then the Letter would contradict itself.This would be an irrational defacto-defacto analysis.

    Similarly Lumen Gentium 14 says everyone needs to enter the Church, ‘the necessity of faith and baptism’.Lumen Gentium 15 and 16 refer to those saved implicitly and who are not formal members of the Church. They can be saved of course in principle and are defacto not known to us.Specific cases are known only to God. Since they are not explicitly known to us they do not contradict Lumen Gentium 14.Here we are using the defacto-dejure analysis.

    If you considered implicit salvation as explicitly known to us then Lumen Gentium 15-16 would contradict Lumen Gentium 14. This would be the defacto-defacto reasoning.

    Fr.Leonard Feeney was saying that every one de facto needs to enter the Church for salvation and in principle we do not know any exceptions of the baptism of water etc.

    The English Cardinals and bishops recognize that every one needs to enter the Church for salvation and there are no visible cases of the baptism of desire. So those saved with the baptism of desire or in invincible ignorance are not exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
    -Lionel Andrades
    December 8, 2011. Feast of the Immaculate Conception.

  2. Those who ‘know’ and do not convert cannot be saved is not an exception to the Catholic teaching every non Catholic with no exception on earth needs to convert into the Catholic Church for salvation (to avoid Hell).

    Mother Angelica also affirmed the dogma like Michael Vorris. The new management at EWTN under the liberal bishop removed those quotations from the Church Fathers. They replaced it with an article written by Fr.William Most. It suggested that those saved in invincible ignorance etc are known to us and so are exceptions to the dogma.

    Real Cathollic TV has affirmed the dogma outside the Church there is no salvation, just as Mother Angelica did, however in a recent video it has denied it saying individual Protestants do not go to Hell. Real Catholic TV perhaps assumes that the exceptions are known to us.

    There is a liberal, Protestant-Christian policy on the Forum of Real Catholic TV. To deny the dogma with the exceptions mentioned is heresy. To then receive the Eucharist in such a condition even after being informed…We bring pain to Jesus in the Eucharist.

    There are two Catholic teachings

    1)Those who know and do not convert cannot be saved as compared to those in invincible ignorance, and

    2) every non Catholic with no exception on earth needs to convert into the Catholic Church for salvation (to avoid Hell).

    This is not contradictory.

    Only those who know and yet do not enter the Church is not contradictory to the dogma outside the church there is no salvation. Only God can judge who is in invincible ignorance and who ‘knows’. We cannot judge. The dogma says everyone needs to enter the Church. It does not say only those who know.

    Real Catholic TV only those who know about Jesus and the Church and do not convert are on the way to Hell and not all non Catholics with no exception on earth ?

    This would be assuming that we know cases of non Catholics saved in the present times, it is assuming we know of such exceptions. Only if we knew of particular cases would we be able to say not all people but only those who ‘know’.

    The Catechism of the Catholic Church maintains those who know and cannot be saved in contrast to those in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire. The Catechism affirms the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.1.Defacto everyone on earth needs the baptism of water given to adults with Catholic Faith. (CCC 1257),everyone needs to enter the Church as through a door (CCC 846) the Church is like the only Ark of Noah that saves in the Flood (CCC 845).2. De jure in principle those who know cannot be saved and this would be known only to God.

    In principle those are in invincible ignorance and are saved ,who do not ‘know’ , are known only to God, Simon Rafe of Real Catholic TV does not know any particular exception on earth.

    1. De facto every one needs to enter the Church for salvation since the dogma teaches this truth.

    2. De jure we accept that only these who ‘know’ and so do not enter the Church cannot be saved.

    Since we do not know any of these cases, they are not an exception to the dogma. We do not know any Protestant exceptions.No individual Protestant cases who are saved are known.

    All Protestants and Orthodox Christians know about Jesus and the Catholic Church with the present level of education and communication. De facto they all need to enter the Church.

    De jure in principle there could be Christians in invincible ignorance. They can be saved.

    So de facto every Christian on earth (Protestant, Pentecostal, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Orthodox Christians etc) needs to enter the Catholic Church for salvation.

    In general Real Catholic TV teaches that Protestantism is heretical, there is mortal sin and most people go to Hell. In particular it needs to be said that those saved in principle in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire are defacto not an exception to the dogma. All individual Protestants according to the dogma and Vatican Council II (LG 14, AG 7) need to convert to avoid Hell. In general they are oriented to Hell. If there are possible exceptions it would be known only to God. The exceptions are unknown to us.

    Protestants contracep, abort and do not believe in mortal sin. They do not accept the Faith teachings of the Catholic Church and neither the moral teachings.

    -Lionel Andrades

    INDIVIDUAL PROTESTANTS DO GO TO HELL UNLESS THEY CONVERT INTO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/12/individual-protestants-do-go-to-hell.html#links

    Michael Voris Hits the Jackpot…that is, “the dogma”- Brother André Marie MICM :RealCatholicTV affirms the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/09/michael-voris-hits-jackpotthat-is-dogma.html#links

    IF CARDINAL RAYMOND BURKE COULD BE ASKED…
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/12/if-cardinal-raymond-burke-could-be.html#links

  3. http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/12/ccbew-ecumenical-officers-catechists.html

    Monday, December 12, 2011
    CBCEW ECUMENICAL OFFICERS, CATECHISTS AGREE THAT THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE IS NOT AN EXCEPTION TO THE DOGMA OUTSIDE THE CHURCH THERE IS NO SALVATION
    The Conference of Catholic Bishops Conference of England and Wales (CBCEW) ecumenical offfers and catechists agree that the baptism of desire is not an exception to the dogma outside the church there is no salvation.

    Since those saved in invincible ignorance are unknown to us there cannot be two interpretations of the dogma, ‘ rigorist interpretation’ and non-rigorist interpretation.The Conference of Catholic Bishops of England and Wales (CBCEW) is back to the centuries old interpretation of the dogma;the only interpretation. The secular media refer to the ‘rigorist interpretation’ of the dogma assuming there is a second interpretation. They assume that the baptism of desire and those saved in invincible ignorance are defacto known to us and so contradict the original interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

    Representatives of Churches Together in England and Ireland have been informed of this issue.

    Catholics bishops seem to agree with the ‘rigorist interpretation’ of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.They agree there is no visible baptism of desire and so the baptism of desire and those saved in invincible ignorance are not exceptions to the thrice- defined dogma which Pope Pius XII called an ‘infallible statement’.

    These blog posts were sent to representatives of the CBEW asking for their comments.They have been sent to, among others, the:

    General Secretariat lorraine.welch@cbcew.org.uk, Department of Dialogue and Unity dialunity@cbcew.org.uk, Department Administrator : grace.applewaithe@cbcew.org.uk

    They accept that this is the teaching of the Magisterium.There are no denials. None of them claim that the baptism of desire is visible.

    -Lionel Andrades

    ENGLISH CATHOLIC BISHOPS CONCEDE THERE IS NO VISIBLE BAPTISM OF DESIRE – LAY CATHOLICS AFFIRM VATICAN COUNCIL II AND THE DOGMA IN MISSION PROGRAMS
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/12/english-catholic-bishops-concede-there.html#links

    Thursday, December 8, 2011
    CONFERENCE OF CATHOLIC BISHOPS OF ENGLAND AND WALES AGREE THAT THERE IS NO VISIBLE BAPTISM OF DESIRE : breakthrough in salvation dogma, back to centuries old interpretation.
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/12/conference-of-catholic-bishops-of.html

    CARDINAL CORMAC MURPHY O’CONNOR AFFIRMS THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS AND AGREES WITH DAPHNE MCLEOD
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/12/cardinal-cormac-murphy-oconnor-affirms.html

    ECCLESSIOLOGY OF ENGLISH BISHOPS HIT BY TWO ERRORS 1) VISIBLE BAPTISM OF DESIRE 2) FR.LEONARD FEENEY EXCOMMUNICATED FOR THE SAME VIEW AS POPES, SAINTS AND DOGMA OUTSIDE THE CHURCH THERE IS NO SALVATION
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/11/ecclessiology-of-english-bishops-hit-by.html

    CATHOLIC BISHOPS CONFERENCE OF ENGLAND AND WALES SAYS THOSE SAVED WITH THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE, INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE ARE VISIBLE TO US
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/11/catholic-bishops-conference-of-england.html

    ECUMENISM OF THE ENGLISH BISHOPS CONTRARY TO VATICAN COUNCIL II
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/11/ecumenism-of-english-bishops-contrary.html#links

    CATHOLIC LAY PROFESSOR AT UNIVERSITA EUROPA DI ROMA AFFIRMS DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/10/catholic-lay-professor-at-universita.html

    LEGIONARY OF CHRIST PRIEST FR.RAFAEL PASCUAL AFFIRMS CANTATE DOMINO, COUNCIL OF FLORENCE
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/10/legionary-of-christ-priest-frrafael.html

    FR.TULLIO ROTONDO AFFIRMS CANTATE DOMINO, COUNCIL OF FLORENCE ON EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/08/frtullio-rotondo-affirms-cantate-domino.html#links

    CANTATE DOMINO, COUNCIL OF FLORENCE ON EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS IS DE FIDE AND NOT CONTRADICTED BY VATICAN COUNCIL II- Fr. Nevus Marcello O.P
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/07/cantate-domino-council-of-florence-on.html

    BRAZILIAN PRIEST SAYS VATICAN COUNCIL II DOES NOT CONTRADICT DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/07/brazilian-priest-says-vatican-council.html#links

    CATHOLIC PRIESTS IN ROME AGREE WITH FR.LEONARD FEENEY: THERE IS NO BAPTISM OF DESIRE THAT WE CAN KNOW OF
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/08/catholic-priests-in-rome-agree-with.html#links

    DAPHNE MCLEOD’S COMMENT SHOULD BE A WAKE UP CALL FOR SSPX, TRADITIONALISTS AND ENGLISH BISHOPS
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/10/daphne-mcleods-comment-should-be-wake.html#links

    LETTER OF THE HOLY OFFICE 1949 WAS CRITICAL OF ARCHBISHOP RICHARD CUSHING
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/11/letter-of-holy-office-was-critical-of.html

    IN ANALYSING THE LETTER OF THE HOLY OFFICE 1949 YOU ARE USING A DEFACTO-DEJURE ANALYSIS OR A DEFACTO-DEFACTO ANALYSIS.WHETHER YOU KNOW IT OR NOT YOUR USING ONE OF THE TWO
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/11/in-analysing-letter-of-holy-office-1949.html

    CONFUSION OVER THE LETTER OF THE HOLY OFFICE 1949
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/11/confusion-over-letter-of-holy-office.html

    REMEMBER THAT THE REPORT BY FR.WILLIAM MOST ON EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS IS NOT THE OFFICIAL TEACHING OF THE CHURCH: IT CONTAINS ERRORS AND HERESY
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/11/remember-that-report-by-frwilliam-most.html

    CARDINAL RATZINGER DID NOT VIOLATE THE PRINCIPLE OF NON CONTRADICTION AS CATHOLICS UNITED FOR THE FAITH IMPLY
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/11/cardinal-ratzinger-did-not-violate.html


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