Vatican: No more talks with SSPX traditionalists.

Archbishop Gerhard Mueller, who took up his post as head of the powerful Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) in July, said in an interview to be broadcast on Saturday that the Church could not negotiate away the fundamentals of its faith.

His comments to North German Radio (NDR) were the first from the Vatican on deadlocked talks meant to reintegrate the Society of Saint Pius X (SSPX) into the Church after a 21-year schism over its implacable opposition to 1960s reforms.

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Editor’s note: This is not surprising. Despite appearances, the Catholic Church hierarchy is still dominated by liberals, many of them continuing to cling to various heterodox opinions, with virtually no opposition (or correction) from the Pope, to the great and continuing detriment of the Catholic Church. The recent appointment  of Archbishop Mueller as head of the CDF was the “kiss of death” for these negotiations.

I have no doubt the Pope is perfectly OK with this, since he appointed the new CDF head, and as Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, he was in charge of implementing and enforcing many of the ruinous post-Vatican II “reforms”. If the Pope really wanted to do this deal, he would have made it happen, much as he did with the Anglican Ordinariate initiative.

“Change” came to the Catholic Church some 50 years before Barack Obama and his ilk came to power in the United States. The results have been very similar in both cases: DISASTER!

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  1. ARCHBISHOP GERHARD MULLER ASSUMES THAT THE DEAD WHO ARE SAVED ARE VISIBLE ON EARTH AND SO EVERY ONE DOES NOT NEED TO ENTER THE CHURCH:NCR interview
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/10/archbishop-gerhard-muller-assumes-that.html#links

  2. POPE JOHN XXIII, POPE PAUL VI AND POPE JOHN PAUL II NEVER IDENTIFIED THE VISIBLE DEAD SAVED MISUNDERSTANDING WHICH CAME FROM THE FR.LEONARD FEENEY ERA
    There is no statement from any of the popes which show that they knew of the irrationality.The Letter of the Holy Office 1949 does not directly state that the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance are explicit exceptions to the dogma.One has to imply it.

    Pope John Paul II indirectly affirmed the dogma on salvation but never directly dealt with the baptism of desire and the issue of being saved with invincible ignorance. Similarly Pope Paul VI held the traditional teaching of the church with respect to the salvation dogma(Evangelii Nuntiandi) (1). He never confronted the false premise. This premise led Catholics to assume that the baptism of desire etc were not only just possibilities known to God. They assumed that they were defacto exceptions to the defined dogma. Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger may have known that the baptism of desire is not an exception to the dogma.It’s not clear. Vatican Council II does not make this error directly. It has to be implied by the reader.Neither does the Catechism of the Catholic Church claim that the visible dead are exceptions to the dogma. One has to wrongly assume it.

    The Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) could only see the Council with a false premise. So they criticize Vatican Council in general and not the false premise in particular. There is a blanket criticism of Vatican Council II without identifying the premise of the visible dead saved on earth, which is a complete irrationality and is responsible for the interpretation of the Council which the SSPX criticizes.

    Well known apologists like Monsgr. Fenton, Fr.William Most and Fr.John Hardon S.J followed the popes assuming invincible ignorance and implicit desire were exceptions to the dogma. They all took it for granted that this was the new teaching from the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 issued by Pope Pius XII.

    If the Letter assumes that those who are in invincible ignorance are de facto known and so are exceptions this would be an objective error of the cardinals who issued the Letter.

    For over 20 years the archbishops of Boston did not lift the excommunication of Fr.Leonard Feeney assuming that the baptism of desire was an exception to the dogma. Even Fr. Schmaruk who represented the bishops and announced the lifting of the excommunication at a press conference, did not seem to know that the baptism of desire was never ever an exception to the dogma.It was not an issue.It was irrelevant.

    The real controversy and confusion has not been on the dogma itself but on the baptism of desire being exceptions to the dogma because there are alleged known cases in the present times. No one told the popes that the baptism of desire was not relevant to extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

    Even if the popes were informed the issue had become so complicated they would not know from where to start to correct it.Pope Pius XII may be knew about it but could not do anything because of the complications with the Archbishop of Boston from where the problem surfaced. It was Archbishop Humberto Medeiros, the Archbishop who replaced Cardinal Cushing, who seemed to understand that an injustice was done to Fr.Leonard Feeney.-Lionel Andrades

    1.
    In other words, our religion effectively establishes with God an authentic and living relationship which the other religions do not succeed in doing, even though they have, as it were, their arms stretched out towards heaven.-Evangelii Nuntindi,Pope Paul VI .N.53

    IF THE LETTER OF THE HOLY OFFICE 1949 CONSIDERED THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE AS A DEFACTO EXCEPTION TO THE DOGMA IT WOULD BE AN OBJECTIVE ERROR: WE DON’T KNOW ANY SUCH CASE
    The Letter from the Holy Office 1949 clearly affirms the rigorist interpretation of the dogma outside the church no salvation.
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/03/if-letter-of-holy-office-1949.html

    DID THE CARDINAL WHO ISSUED THE LETTER OF THE HOLY OFFICE 1949 ASSUME THAT THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE WAS VISIBLE AND AN EXCEPTION TO THE DOGMA ?
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/11/did-cardinal-who-issued-letter-of-holy.html

    DID THE LETTER OF THE HOLY OFFICE 1949, THE MAGISTERIUM, MAKE A MISTAKE? NO
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/05/did-letter-of-holy-office-1949.html

    ROBERTO de MATTEI’S RADICI CRISTIANI ENDORSES LITERAL INTERPRETATION OF THE SALVATION DOGMA BUT DOES NOT INTERPRET VATICAN COUNCIL II ACCORDING TO THE DOGMA
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/08/roberto-de-matteis-radici-cristiani.html#links

    LEGIONARY OF CHRIST PRIEST FR.RAFAEL PASCUAL AFFIRMS CANTATE DOMINO, COUNCIL OF FLORENCE
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/10/legionary-of-christ-priest-frrafael.html

    CATHOLIC LAY PROFESSOR AT UNIVERSITA EUROPA DI ROMA AFFIRMS DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS

    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/search/label/Corrado%20Gnerre

    CATHOLIC PRIESTS IN ROME AGREE WITH FR.LEONARD FEENEY: THERE IS NO BAPTISM OF DESIRE THAT WE CAN KNOW OF
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/search/label/Catholic%20priests

    Did Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre know that implicit desire,invincible ignorance etc were not known to us and irrelevant to the dogma?
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/10/did-archbishop-marcel-lefebvre-know.html#links

    ARCHBISHOP GERHARD MULLER ASSUMES THAT THE DEAD WHO ARE SAVED ARE VISIBLE ON EARTH AND SO EVERY ONE DOES NOT NEED TO ENTER THE CHURCH:NCR interview
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/10/archbishop-gerhard-muller-assumes-that.html#links

    SSPX IDENTIFY THE FALSE PREMISE IN PUBLIC AND YOU WILL HAVE CREATED AN INTERPRETATION OF VATICAN COUNCIL II IN ACCORD WITH TRADITION
    You cannot be excommunicated for affirming a Vatican Council II in agreement with the Syllabus of Errors and extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/10/sspx-identify-false-premise-in-public.html#links

    ROME SACRED LITURGY CONFERENCE NEXT YEAR AND HERESY
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/10/rome-sacred-liturgy-conference-next.html


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