The Obtuse Spirit of Vatican II: Still attempting to pass off damaged spiritual goods as “quality merchandise”.


Just consider some of the most famous quotes regarding Vatican II.

Cardinal Giuseppe Siri said, “If the Church were not Divine, the Council would have buried her.”

The liberal Cardinal Joseph Suenens rejoiced, “Vatican II is the French Revolution of the Church.”

Bishop Thomas Morrow, a prelate who participated at Vatican II, said later in life, “I was relieved when we were told that this Council was not aiming at defining or giving final statements on doctrine, because a statement of doctrine has to be very carefully formulated, and I would have regarded the Council documents as tentative and liable to be reformed.”

At the close of Vatican II, the bishops asked Council Secretary Archbishop Felici for that which the theologians call the “theological note” of the Council; that is, the doctrinal “weight” of Vatican II’s teachings. Felici replied: “We have to distinguish according to the schemas and the chapters those which have already been the subject of dogmatic definitions in the past; as for the decelerations which have a novel character, we have to make reservations.”

Liberal Protestant Observer Robert McAffee Brown, writing immediately after the Council, said he despised Pope Pius XI’s and Pope Pius XII’s magisterial pronouncement on Ecumenism (Mortalium Animos and the 1949 Decree on Ecumenism) because both documents insisted on the conversion of non-Catholics to Catholicism as one and only way to true Christian Unity. McAfee Brown went on to say he loved Vatican II’s Decree on Ecumenism because the Council text nowhere mentions the need for non-Catholics to convert to the Catholic Church.

Even Walter Cardinal Kasper, an ardent advocate of ecumenism, recently admitted the confusion within the Council texts themselves.

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Editor’s note: No offense to Pope Francis for his liberal views … but liberals just love revolution … and they simply hate to give up … no matter how badly things turn out.

The “party line” of the people who run today’s Catholic Church … in its’ own special way … remains every bit as liberal, radical and lacking in essential truth as does Barack Obama’s present political regime.

In 1965, CHANGE came to the Catholic Church. And it was an unmitigated DISASTER for the entire world.

It’s high time somebody in authority cut off the head and plunged a stake through the heart of the 2nd Vatican Council … once and for all.

It’s either that … or perhaps the Holy Spirit has already abandoned the church and granted the people all the desires of their hearts. (Definitely not a good thing, since the only thing left after that is Divine Judgment and Wrath.)


  1. Don’t you think the wrath of God is coming with the 21 Judgements told to the Beloved St. John, on the Isle of Patmos? I am afraid the VaticanII Heresy will never be corrected….so what is left but Destruction! The Gates of Hell will not prevail against His Church! The ultimate war of Good vs Evil – Christ vs Satan. We all know what’s going to happen……Christ wins and the Son of Perdition and his False Prphet are thrown into the Abyss/Lake of Fire!
    This may sound extreme, but it is TRUTH…it’s just WHEN!

    • 2 Thessalonians 2:1-17 And we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and of our gathering together unto him: (2) That you be not easily moved from your sense nor be terrified, neither by spirit nor by word nor by epistle. as sent from us, as if the day of the Lord were at hand. (3) Let no man deceive you by any means: for unless there come a revolt first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition (4) Who opposeth and is lifted up above all that is called God or that is worshipped, so that he sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself as if he were God. (5) Remember you not that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? (6) And now you know what withholdeth, that he may be revealed in his time. (7) For the mystery of iniquity already worketh: only that he who now holdeth do hold, until he be taken out of the way. (8) And then that wicked one shall be revealed: whom the Lord Jesus shall kill with the spirit of his mouth and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: him (9) Whose coming is according to the working of Satan, in all power and signs and lying wonders: (10) And in all seduction of iniquity to them that perish: because they receive not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. (11) (2:10) Therefore God shall send them the operation of error, to believe lying: (12) (2:11) That all may be judged who have not believed the truth but have consented to iniquity. (13) (2:12) But we ought to give thanks to God always for you, brethren, beloved of God, for that God hath chosen you first fruits unto salvation, in sanctification of the spirit and faith of the truth: (14) (2:13) Whereunto also he hath called you by our gospel, unto the purchasing of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. (15) (2:14) Therefore, brethren, stand fast: and hold the traditions, which you have learned, whether by word or by our epistle. (16) (2:15) Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God and our Father, who hath loved us and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope in grace, (17) (2:16) Exhort your hearts and confirm you in every good work and word.


      • Doug
        Amen and give Praise and Glory to HIS name!
        Every knee shall bow and every tongue confess….

  2. Thanks for posting this, Doug. I read it when John V. first posted it on his site, so I knew it would show up on your screen, too.

    Dittos to your editors’ note, with this caveat: We both know that the Holy Spirit will never abandon the Church. That said, there is ample historical evidence of His allowing his people–including His prelates–to commit abundant error and folly in His name (or so they claim).

    “No offense to Pope Francis for his liberal views…”? I’m sure that, in Charity, you intend none. In Charity, likewise, I wish for his liberal views to eventually give him offense sufficient to make him disavow them.

  3. I was baptized Easter Vigil of 2005, therfore, all I know is post VII atmosphere. In a nutshell, what are the difference between today’s Church and the Church before 1965? I’ve heard traditional Catholic actually state today’s Church is no longer valid!! Very discouraging, believe me…I want to be on the right side of the Lord come my particular Judgement….Thank-you, tim r.

    • Alas, Tim, this is not the venue in which anyone can answer your complex question. As a recent, post V-II convert, you are in a particularly challenging position.

      I would suggest to you, in Charity, that the onus is upon you to seek the answer on your own initiative, which will be a most arduous and faith-shaking task. Pray to the Holy Spirit for guidance.

      BTW: His is the only “right side.”

      Let me make this modest offer, as a cradle Catholic born in 1950: If you would like to correspond with me off-post, so indicate in reply to this comment. If your answer is “yes,” I hereby authorize Doug to release to you, off-post, my email address.

      I can promise you no more than my available time. Whether or not you accept my offer, God bless and keep you!

    • As a cradle Catholic, born In Japan in 1956….your best answer is PRAYER, and perhaps the Holy Spirit will guide you!
      Your second best hope, is to get connected with the Right( as in Righteous Roman Catholic) to assist you! Maybe Mark can help you! It is VERY WORRISOME…I feel your PAIN!
      This is something I became privy to, in the last 4 years. My life was so easy before, I received this Vat II Knowledge!

  4. @Mark H. My answer is yes!

    • So be it. Doug, kindly send Tim my email address off-post.

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