Salvation outside the Catholic Church: What do we know about it – for certain?

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Cardinal Burke may officially
weigh-in 
on this matter

All references to salvation in Vatican Council II are implicit, invisible and hypothetical. They are not explicit, visible in the flesh and seen in real life.

In fact, other than those who have been officially declared saints by the Catholic Church, no one living here on earth can possibly know the true status of anyone else’s – or even their very own – eternal soul.

Since salvation outside the Church is not the province of man – but solely of God – and hence, a great miracle – is it wise, prudent, or in any way appropriate for high level Catholic clerics to declare that God will (routinely) save anyone, so long as they try to live a “good” life, according to the dictates of their conscience? Furthermore – is it right and just for them to require others to believe it, too?

All of this and more is the subject of Lionel Andrade’s latest post.

Vatican politics is affecting Catholic dogma, especially as it applies to the conversion of the Jews

Pope Benedict XVI in Light of the World-Conversations with Peter Seewald says Jews do not have to convert in the present times. Pope Benedict XVI says that he has revised the ancient liturgy (on Good Friday) so that it does not say that Jews need to convert in the present times but that they will convert in a future time (eschatological time).

So he is saying that he has revised the Good Friday Prayer for the Conversion of the Jews which now says Jews do not have to convert in the present times.(1) This is a rejection of the Nicene Creed in which we pray “I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sin”.Jews do need the baptism of water in the present time.

The pope is saying that without the baptism of water given to adults with Catholic Faith, Jews in general, are saved in their religion.

Vatican Council II mentions the possibility of non Catholics being saved in invincible ignorance, a good conscience etc. It does not state that they are saved in general in their religion. Since in general the normal means of salvation is Catholic Faith and the baptism of water.(AG 7).

The Vatican received a threat from the Chief Rabbinate and the Government of Israel over the issue of the Good Friday Prayer for the Conversion of Jews it was reported in the secular newspapers here.There was the threat of war. The pope diffused the tension with a front page report in the L’Osservatore Romano in which it was said that Jews do not have to convert in the present time.

This message was repeated in Light of the World-Conversations with Peter Seewald (Ignatius Press). The pope told Seewald that there is only one means of salvation and all who are saved are saved through Jesus.True. However this can also be a partial truth and denial of a defined dogma offensive to the Jewish Left. Offensive to the pro-Sodom and Gomorrah Zionists posing as Jews.Yes all those who are saved are saved through Jesus and the Church, Jesus’ Mystical Body, however every one needs to enter the Church with the baptism of water and Catholic Faith (Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II, dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus,Dominus Iesus 20 etc).

The pope and his Curia have put away the defined dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus which Pope Pius XII called an ‘infallible teaching’.

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Editor’s note: Let’s be fair and rational: If Jews need not convert, why should anyone else?

The Old Covenant is no more, and even if the Old Law still applied, it never had the power to save a soul. That places Jews and (non-Christian) gentiles in exactly the same position of eternal jeopardy … with the only hope for salvation being Jesus Christ and his (universal) Catholic Church.

If this is the “New Evangelization” we’re all in big, big trouble!

International Theological Commission comes to erroneous conclusion

Outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation … yet God is sovereign and all powerful … and not bound by any of the laws he makes for us … so certain exceptions remain possible.

No one but God knows precisely to whom and/or why such a merciful boon might be extended … while anyone who claims to know likely commits the grave sin of presumption.

How can an official theological commission of the Catholic Church correctly arrive at any other conclusion? Truthfully … they can’t!

Lionel Andrades explains

In the Fr.Peter C.Phan Notification was the USCCB affirming the rigorist interpretation of outside the church no salvation?

In the Notificationthe USCCB mentioned that there could be non Catholics saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire. We accept this in principle. Defacto, this was known only to God.The popes and Church Councils accepted it in principle that a non Catholic could be saved in invincible ignorance etc. They also knew that  these cases were known only to God. So they were not explicit exceptions to the dogmatic teaching extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

Fr. Peter C. Phan outright denies the magisterial teaching on salvation and so the USCCB rightly corrected him. Even though he denies a defined dogma the USCCB however allows him to offer Holy Mass. This is contrary to Canon Law. How is a priest in public mortal sin allowed to offer Holy Mass?
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The foolish and potentially deadly presumption of expecting God to save us, on our own terms.


While God may have chosen to save someone other than Noah and his family from the great flood, we have absolutely no knowledge of any such act.

Just as the Ark was God’s chosen vessel of earthly salvation for Noah and his family, the Catholic Church is God’s chosen “vessel” of eternal salvation for all mankind.

Similarly, God may choose to “save” someone who has yet to be incorporated into the Catholic Church … but in that case as well, we will have absolutely no knowledge of it … and such a thing most certainly WILL NOT be normal, typical, or “routine”.

Better to heed the Gospel, get baptized
and become a faithful member of the Church,
than “hold out” for a miracle…
no matter what certain misguided clergy
might say!  

Lionel Andrades continues his in-depth series on the fine points of understanding and properly applying the defined Catholic dogma: EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS” (Outside the Church There Is No Salvation) which has remained “on the books” and unchanged for over 500 years, as formally defined at the 15th century Council of Florence, and confirmed by at least two later popes.

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