Was the Holy Spirit’s guidance at Vatican II infallible … or not?

Father Z entertains the notion. Readers comment.

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What’s so great about the Catholic religion?


Q: What’s so great about the Catholic religion?

A: The Catholic Church is the only church that was ever personally founded by Jesus Christ … while he still walked the earth. (Jesus is God, incarnate.)

The Catholic Church has Jesus Christ as its eternal head, and the Holy Spirit as its perpetual guide and advocate.

The only church that was ever authentically established and empowered in this way … the Catholic Church remains the living eye-witness for the Gospel of Jesus Christ in the world today, just as it has been since the very beginning.

Despite the internal and external human corruption with which the Catholic Church has always contended, the truth of the church’s essential doctrines, dogmas, liturgies and devotions has miraculously, never been compromised.

The church remains the only infallible guide to a proper moral existence, although few within the church have actually managed to live up to that ideal. Those who are known to have have successfully done so are called “Saints”.

In addition to being The Universal Christian Church on Earth … the Catholic Church is also a sovereign nation-state, known as the Vatican. The Vatican constitutes the world’s oldest, continuously operating government (of any kind).

The Pope is the chief pastor and the leader of the Church, on earth. The holy office of the papacy was also established personally by Jesus Christ. St. Peter was the first pope … the “Rock” on which Jesus Christ would build his church. And lest anyone doubt this is indeed the case … the bones of St. Peter rest today, in an ancient cemetery, almost directly beneath the main altar of St. Peter’s basilica, in the Vatican. See also the Gospel of Matthew, Chapter 16, verses 18 &19.

Endowed with the “Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven” … and the virtually unrestricted power of  “Binding and Loosing” … on earth and in heaven … the Pope wields truly awesome power and authority.

After the fall of Rome, the Catholic Church took it upon itself to rebuild western civilization in the image of heaven. And in many ways, it succeeded!

The Holy Bible remains a thoroughly Catholic book … preserved, compiled, translated, certified and infallibly endorsed as the totally inerrant, divinely inspired, written Word of God, by the Catholic Church alone … more than a thousand years before any other Christian church even existed.

There are more than 1.1 billion Catholics in the world, today.

Since its original institution in the early first century, the Catholic Church has consistently fulfilled its prophetic mission of saving souls and offering acceptable worship to God … something it never fails to do … every hour of every day … every day of every year … in every nation on earth.

Four “marks” serve to identify the authentic Catholic Church, from age to age:

1) One. The Catholic Church is unique: Jesus Christ founded only one church … the Catholic Church.

2) Holy. The Catholic Church is holy. With Jesus as its founder, the Holy Spirit as its perpetual advocate, and God the Father as its eternal patron, the Catholic Church belongs solely to God. Pure and spotless. Set apart for God’s purposes alone, the church can never be corrupted by sin, or by any other human fault.

3) Apostolic. The Catholic Church is apostolic. The divine power and authority given to the Catholic Church by Jesus Christ is passed down through the generations from the original apostles, to their duly ordained successors, the bishops. And so on.

4) Universal. The word “Catholic” means “universal”. Jesus Christ founded one church to be the universal sacrament of salvation for all.

There’s much, much more … but I think you probably get the idea.

Conscience, church teachings, and when it’s OK to disagree.

… A Catholic is not bound to an fallible document. If, in good conscience, he cannot accept a certain teaching from a fallible document because he believes it contains one or more erroneous teachings, he is not bound to keep those particular teachings.

He is only bound to keep it if the Church declares that the doctrine is infallible. Any other doctrine can be contested for conscience sake.

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Editor’s note: If only we could agree on which documents are which!

Why don’t protestants respect Catholic beliefs?

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Q: Why don’t protestants respect Catholic beliefs?

A: Some do. Many do not.

When the first protestants invented their all new and novel forms of Christianity, they made up all their own rules from scratch … and they had absolutely no authority from God to do so.

Many of today’s protestants never learned that, and were led into their current state of confusion/heresy/apostacy by the leaders of their own particular faith traditions … so they may well be ignorant of the facts.

Conversely, Jesus Christ personally founded the Catholic Church while he still walked the earth, and he constituted the Church in much the same way that the old Jewish system was originally put together … on the three witnesses of scripture, tradition, and the teachings of those in authority.

Sanctifying grace also plays an essential role … and that’s something that was not part of the Hebrew system.

Thanks to God’s divine providence, Jesus remains at the head of the Catholic Church, and the Holy Spirit remains as the Church’s constant advocate and arbiter of all divine truth. Because of all this, the Catholic Church really has no choice but to officially teach what was faithfully handed down to it by Jesus and the original aposles.

This is essentially why the authentic Catholic Church is both infallible and indefectible.

Based on all of the above and more, one who disrespects the Catholic Church disrespects God, and one who disrespects Catholics disrespects God’s very own adopted children.

Any way you look at it, those types of folks are likely to have a lot of explaining to do, come Judgment Day.

Your views on the Bible?

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Q: Your views on the Bible?

I’m not at all a religious person, but I just want to see your views on the Bible. Do you believe everything in it? Think it’s nonsense? Another thing I want to know is, if they didn’t keep records, how did people write the Bible accurately? 

A: The Bible is the inerrant, written Word of God, inspired by the Holy Spirit and accurately set down by the sacred writers, infallibly expressing precisely what God intended.

Moses wrote the first five books of the Old Testament. The remaining OT books were a product of tradition, and were not set down in writing until around 400 BC.

Recent archaeological discoveries of ancient documents and sites have proved the biblical accounts to be highly reliable, even down to some very precise and minute details.

The one thing that sets the Bible apart from all other writings is the prophecies that are contained within.

And since the OT was written some 1500 to 250 years before Jesus Christ, one has to respect the accuracy of a book that found its’ prophetic fulfillment in one obscure but obviously very special, itinerant Jewish carpenter from the town of Nazareth, with literally hundreds of ancient biblical prophecies being perfectly fulfilled by Christ, during his 34 short years.

Most significant are those that came to pass during the last three days of his human life on earth.

The New Testament of the Bible points out many of these prophetic fulfillments, explains their eternal significance and their practical application, using several different languages and precise detail that has been painstakingly set to writing, confirmed through authentic world history, and faithfully handed down by means of authentic Catholic Church tradition.

The fact that today, we can go back and verify the authenticity of all those fulfilled prophecies also bolsters the Bible’s claim to being divinely inspired.

And since about a third of all Bible prophecies have yet to be fulfilled, dealing with future, end times events and personalities, the “best” is probably yet to come.

I’m not merely cutting and pasting here. I’ve done the research and made all the compilations and comparisons. You can too.

I was also pretty skeptical when I began the work, but I’m not anymore.

Here’s some links to make it easier for you:

https://douglawrence.wordpress.com/the-bi…

http://www.askmeaboutgod.org/passionfina…

http://www.askmeaboutgod.org/passionfina…

http://www.askmeaboutgod.org/passionfina…

http://www.clerus.org/bibliaclerus/index…

What’s the Deal On Papal Infallibility?

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First of all … there’s absolutely no doubt about the fact that St. Peter was the leader of the Church,
and that he was the unanimous choice of both Jesus and his Father:

Mat 16:15 Jesus saith to them: But whom do you say that I am? 
Mat 16:16 Simon Peter answered and said: Thou art Christ, the Son of the living God.
Mat 16:17 And Jesus answering said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood
hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven.

This was followed immediately by the following divine promise, which in terms of absolute power and authority, is unprecedented in power and scope … even when compared to the Old Testament promises that God made
to Abraham, Israel, Moses, and others:

Mat 16:18 And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this Rock I will build my church,
and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Mat 16:19 And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven.
And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven:
and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.

The simple fact is … when God himself promises you the “Keys of the Kingdom of Heaven”
and he backs it up with the his personal assurance that he will back whatever decisions
you make, even so far as translating your earthly decisions into heavenly laws …
that’s about as INFALLIBLE as ANYONE can ever get!
This doesn’t mean everything the Pope says is without error,
or that the Pope is incapable of error, or sin.
It does mean that when the Pope sees a need, as the leader of the whole Church,
to make a definitive statement regarding faith and/or morals,
he can invoke this divine mandate, and speak his mind,
knowing that even if he is WRONG, God will keep up his end of the deal,
and somehow make it right! 
In actual practice, throughout the 2000 year history of the Catholic Church,
the Pope has invoked this power of infallibility twice … or only about once every thousand years.And for the die hard critics out there … this power is nothing new.
Even the corrupt high priest Caiphus,
who convicted Jesus of blasphemy and sent him to Pilate, to be sentenced to death,
had the official power and the absolute right to speak infallibly … and he did.
Infallibility … the divine power to prophesy, if you will … has been with us for a long, long time.
Virtually all the Old Testament prophets and priests had it, 
so why shouldn’t the God-appointed leader
 of the grace empowered New Covenant Christian Church have it … even more? 
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The third time Jesus appeared to the apostles after the resurrection,
Jesus personally presided at St. Peter’s official “swearing-in” ceremony.
Note the triple scrutiny (3rd appearance of Christ, 3 affirmations of Peter’s faith and love, 3 divine commands):

Joh 21:14 This is now the third time that Jesus was manifested to his disciples, after he was risen from the dead.
Joh 21:15 When therefore they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter: Simon, son of John, lovest thou me more than these?
He saith to him: Yea, Lord, thou knowest that I love thee. He saith to him: Feed my lambs.
Joh 21:16 He saith to him again: Simon, son of John, lovest thou me? He saith to him: yea, Lord, thou knowest that I love thee. He saith to him: Feed my lambs.
Joh 21:17 He said to him the third time: Simon, son of John, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he had said to him the third time: Lovest thou me? And he said to him: Lord, thou knowest all things: thou knowest that I love thee.
He said to him: Feed my sheep.

And just so there wouldn’t be any misconceptions about “power and glory” this time, Jesus immediately explained to St. Peter that the only earthly reward Peter would ultimately receive
would be imprisonment and death: 
  
Joh 21:18 Amen, amen, I say to thee, When thou wast younger, thou didst gird thyself and didst walk where thou wouldst.
But when thou shalt be old, thou shalt stretch forth thy hands,
and another shall gird thee and lead thee whither thou wouldst not.
Joh 21:19 And this he said, signifying by what death he should glorify God.
And when he had said this, he saith to him: Follow me.

All of this was done in light of the eternal nature
of the one, holy, apostolic, and Catholic Church that Jesus founded,
for the express purpose of our salvation, that would endure until the end of time:

Mat 28:16 And the eleven disciples went into Galilee, unto the mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
Mat 28:17 And seeing him they adored: but some doubted.
Mat 28:18 And Jesus coming, spoke to them, saying: All power is given to me in heaven and in earth.
Mat 28:19 Going therefore, teach ye all nations: baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost. Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you.
And behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world.

A Church that would last until the end of time would no doubt need to have
an enduring structure, along with Spirit anointed leadership and government.
The hierarchical government of the Catholic Church
is based on what we know of the hierarchical structure of Heaven:

Act 20:28 Take heed to yourselves and to the whole flock, wherein the Holy Ghost hath placed you bishops,
to rule the Church of God which he hath purchased with his own blood.
Act 20:29 I know that after my departure ravening wolves will enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
Act 20:30 And of your own selves shall arise men speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

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